Friday, November 03, 2006

Map of School Violence




This is a map of school violence in the United States between the year 1996-2005. I saw this first from my blogpal, Renee

Below are just a few examples of where this has happened in the world in the last ten years...

1996 - Dunblane, Scotland: Sixteen children and a teacher are killed by a shooter who then takes his own life.

1997 – Seven Israeli school girls were shot to death by a Jordanian soldier while on a field trip in Bakura.

1998 – A bombing in Algiers on a crowded street packed with students returning home from school killed one person and wounded several others.

1999 – An individual with extremist views opened fire in a childcare area of a Jewish community center in Los Angeles and killed several children.

1999- Two Columbine High School students went on a killing rampage, murdering 12 fellow students and a teacher, as well as wounding 24 others, before committing suicide.

2002 – Two students were murdered and fifteen wounded by a gunman believed to be from an ethnic minority Karen rebel group in an attack on a school bus in Thailand .

2002 - Fourteen teachers, two students, one policeman were shot and killed at a school in Erfurt, Germany. The gunman later committed suicide.

2004 - A group of heavily armed rebel extremists stormed into School No. 1 in Beslan, Russia. The siege ended with a series of explosions and gunfire that killed over 350 people - half of them children.

2006- Montreal Canada. A hail of gunfire occurred at Dawson College which killed one student, seriously injuring19 others. The gunman committed suicide .

2006 - In one-room Amish schoolhouse, a heavily armed truck driver shooting all ten girls, and them himself. Five young girls lost their lives, and five cling to life.



:::Sighs:::

What can be done to minimize such violence?



Resources
Beslan
Key To Safer Schools
School Violence Resource Center

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Deb ~
I don't want to sound like Tom Cruise, because I don't agree with his broad generalizations and aggressive tone. Psychiatric meds are a good, proper, and important tool when used under proper supervision and after external causes for psychiatric disorders have been addressed. However, I have read numerous reports and first hand accounts that antidepressants and drugs like ritalin are being used as the first choice in dealing with behavioral issues. I think that is backwards in that they need to be the last resort.

I know first hand the difference between being on the right med for me and the wrong med for me. It took close work with my doctor to find the right drug and the right dose.

I am saying all this because I have read reports claiming that many of the incidences listed on this map involve children on antidepressants. I know that does not make a direct correlation or "cause and effect" relationship. Certainly troubled children are more prone to violence with or without meds. My only point is that meds should not be used as a band-aid without looking at the wound beneath.

Beyond that, we should also look at our society and systems that have destroyed the traditional one breadwinner/one homemaker family. In most households, either there is one parent or both parents work. I think this leaves children without attention and direction ~ and ultimately more prone to frustration and violence.

MeMe said...

Yes... I do have some thoughts on this. Violence is everywhere. Kids play with it... gameboy and all kinds of other video/games that depict violence as something that is fun. Seeing someone's head chopped off by automation becomes old... what about the real thing???
The kids these days are being so slammed with violence and I personally think it desensitize them. Oh it's OK to see someone beat down in video games and/or in the movies. Commercials are loaded with violence... car crashes, etc. I am very afraid of this world and what it is doing to generation of kids... adults too. Pretty sad. Let's clean up some of this violence from our eyes.. that reaches down deep into our souls and corrupts us...
MeMe

alan said...

The end of intolerance in all its many forms!

alan

Dr. A said...

This is a very emotional issue, and the really sad part is that no one wants to take ownership of the problem. Everyone blames everyone else for the problem whether is blaming school officials to "not keeping school safe" to blaming parents for "not bring up kids right" to the media to exposing kids to too much violence.

Until someone steps up and accepts even a little responsibility for the problem, the blame game will continue and more children will be harmed - or even killed.

Ms.L said...

Ohh I have no clue.
I've chosen to opt out of the school system.
I don't think it's a natural,caring enviroment no matter what 'they' say or try to do to make it so.
Perhaps that has something to do with the violence?

intrathecally speaking said...

MEDIA, media, media...parents not putting their children first and seeing the signs...combo of things...all need to take responsiblity.

Angel Chasse said...

Hey Dr Deb...
Not sure how to solve this problem specifically, but I think it all begins at home with parents. It seems to me in my own life and family and extended family, parents are more afraid to take charge and "be the parents" and are seeming to give in to the children's requests... I don't think that this is 100% the problem with this issue, but I really think that parents stepping up and teaching the kids right from wrong from the very beginning can't hurt. Have a great weekend!
Angel Chasse (again)

Joel said...

Gun control.

jumpinginpuddles said...

perhaps america should take australias lead for a change and not allow people to wander around with guns. Here you have to have a liscence and be registered with the police, they came down tough a few years ago where there became a gun amnesty and the police blitzed gun owners big time it was hard work but it worked, mainly because of Port Arthur in Tasmania there was such a public outcry that action took place. Over where you guys are there is a public outcry not to take guns away, over here the public demanded they were and the public won. Perhaps a change of mind set might be in order.
Of course illegal gun practice still takes place and we have had our fair share of tradgedy but when we see americas stats we all just "sigh" and say for a country that is up with it so much they sure dont seem up to it with this one.
As for the rest of the world with hatred and anger running rampant is there any way to stop it personally i think not.

Moof said...

Dr. Serani, I think that Dr. Anonymous hit the nail on the head:

"Until someone steps up and accepts even a little responsibility for the problem, the blame game will continue and more children will be harmed - or even killed."

We are responsible - all of us - parents, schools, media ...

If we compare today's attitudes (in general) to those of 50 years ago, we seem to be on a different planet completely. Our kids are getting a real bum deal.

Dr. Deborah Serani said...

Dear Godwhacker,
I think you are right that serious follow-up and good treatment is necessary for those who are prescribed meds. And you eloquently point out that so much has to be psychologically explored beyond the surface.I think school violence has multiple layers - lack of parental attention as you say, the political climate, the increase of hatred between, lack of accountability, and so many more.

Dear Meme,
Yes, the desensitization of violence and lack of empathy are GREAT concerns of mine too.

Dear ALan,
Succintly and perfectly said.

Dear Dr. A.
There is nothing more suggestive of "ruination" than the killing of a child. Some individuals and groups use those acts to terrorize and haunt us. More needs to be done, for sure. Bullying has been tended to in the schools, but it seems to me that more than ever violence is increasing. Hmmm....

Dear Ms. L,
I know many other home schoolers too that feel the same way!

Dear Intrathecally,
Yup, media too. Good point.


Dear Angel,
Something MUST be amiss in those families, you are right. Just today, on Oprah, was the story of a young girl who stabbed her newborn baby. Left me speechless.

Dear Joel,
What about making sure we all get to pack heat? I'm for gun control and the serializing etc of such weapons, but I sometimes wonder if we were all armed if such situations would lessen. What do you think?

Dear JIP,
I think gun control is a great idea. I'm all for it. See my response above - sometimes I wonder if the opposite could be a way too.

Dear Moof,
Indeed, that is so true!

~Deb

Mr. Death said...

The last one...the Amiosh shooting? It was a milkman...It was in our local paper.
Lance had an experience with this...his friend Matt (our friend Matt) was shot at school...right in the head, in front of him, and all Lance could really do was ask to go home because he had blood on his pants.
I remember hearing about it...The kid was about 12 or something...
Sad stuff...and not the fault of Goths.
JV

Wanda's Wings said...

There is too much violence every where. I think parents need to spend more time with their children and encourage them to be more compasionate to others. It's a tough issue, but we do need change.

Nancy said...

this is a very emotional subject. I think everyone needs to take ownership of their problems and then find someone to help them find a way to deal with the anger, problem or what ever one want to call it. But we all need to take responsibility for all of our own action.
Serious and scary subject

OHN said...

Dr. Deb--My husband has been a police officer for 26 years and the last few he has been working as a school officer (not D.A.R.E., that is different) and it is unbelieveable how the entire atmosphere in schools has changed. They practice lock downs, have random locker searches, use bomb/drug sniffing dogs, etc. When they do find contriband, 3/4 of the time they can't even track down the parents--phones disconnected, non-custodial parent etc...very scary and very sad.

Nerdgirl said...

Hi Deb,

I'm at www.paleandinteresting.blogspot.com

x (p girl)

east village idiot said...

Those murders are just horrifying.

shrinkykitten said...

I have a video that profiles one the school shooters that I show in one of the classes I teach. Last time I taught, I had them list all the things they thought contributed to the shooting - all the different variables that predicted the shooting. Students all listed several - my list had over 30 variables.

There is no single solution - we have a culture that supports violence, we don't control guns, people are not given support in parenting, and especially not in parenting difficult children, boys/males have pressures to conform to hegemonic ideals of masculinity and due to proscriptions about masculinity, learn to not open up and talk about difficult feelings, we live in a culture in which we feel isolated and alienated and in which we feel like we have little to no effect on our environment, and thus have no stewardship towards it or others, mental health treatment is stigmatized (still) and often thought to be the hardest type of service to even access...

and the recent school violence episodes show the gender component to some of them - women are not valued and are seen as easy and viable victims of rage and a need for power.

Radical social change is the only answer.

BarBarA said...

Wow. That was sobering. What can be done? I have no idea but the first thing that popped into my head was "love our kids"

Nevah~ said...

I live in one of the better school district in Houston but it doesn't immune us from violence in school. There's a fight everyday in school, it scares me so because my child is not an agressive person and it could happen to her just by being passive in confrontation. Some schools are becoming like the streets in Houston. How can your child learn when there's no respect for authority. Just the other day at one of the other schools, 3 boys sexually assulted a female student in the bathroom while 3 other's looked on to watch for anyone coming. What do we do, take our kids completely out of school as this father did with his daugther, because we can't run or hide from the violence. It's everywhere and it's scary when you have teacher committing assults as well, mainly sexual assults.

Kamrin said...

I am in Arkansas and as you know, we have had 3 big school violence incidents. I think that the common factor is the small town attitude. I think parents feel "safe" in these small towns, leaving doors unlocks, purses in cars, and everyone knows everyone. This leads to the problem of "everyone knows everyone." If you are a troubled teen in one of those towns, who do you go to. Administrators are less likely to tell parents that their kid is having "problems" because they know/like/go to church with the parents, and they seem like such good parents. The school counselor works out with mom at the gym, and dad plays golf with the principle. Many times these kids feel they have no one to go to that won't take the parent's side, or that they trust not to tell them their personal business. The kid then has to fester in the problem with no outlet, and no resources. I have seen this happen time and time again. How many times have you heard in these news interview, "They seemed so normal. The parents were so nice." Just because you are in a small town, doesn't make you immune. Pay attention to your kids, your friends kids, and your neighbors. Be a real community that supports each other in all forms of human-ness. Don't deny the problems, find ways to help people with them. Just my .02.

puhpaul said...

Violence in schools is one of the biggest fears we seem to have these days. It seems like the media has been highlighting it more and more lately. I'm not really sure that the actual percentage of these incidents has increased over the last few years, but we sure hear a lot more about it. That's not to say I'm unconcerned about what has happened, it is a horrible thing, but schools are still rated as among the safest places to be. I don't know what the solution is, but it is definitely something that everyone in our society needs to work on.

Raine said...

I'm gonna head into a different direction entirely. When I grew up there were guns all over the place-my brother and his friends walked around town carrying them. It was never a problem... nobody ever batted an eye ( it was a very small town) why? because they were going to hunt rabbits and ground squirrels and nobody had ever even considered that would ever use them on a person and of course they never did. I'm not saying gun control would be a bad thing,it is a different world now and THAT is where I see the problem. There is no longer the family and community that there used to be. People do not have the support and love that they once had. I seriously have the unpopular belief that it was a better world for children when they had mothers to come to after school. Of course for this to come back... men would have to learn to be kind to women and value them being at home...... Gee if women left the workforce.... employees would be something employers were fighting over and that would raise pay scales etc etc....oh dear Im off on a tangent LOL Ok heres my point. Children used to have mothers waiting for them after school everyday. They also had very close contact with grandma and grandpa and auntie and uncle etc etc etc.Mom and dad had their moms and dads and brothers and sisters and cousins and nieghbors for support and help. People were involved in each others lives. If a child (or an adult for that matter) was in trouble or acting up the whole community knew it. It wasnt just s single mother or working set of parents desperately trying to carve out an hour of time to spend with their kids here and there. Kids had to deal with mom waiting a home, Dad coming home and Grandma, grandpa , aunt , uncle and everyone else . There were support systems in place. People did not live in the middle of a 100.000 people and be so terribly alone..........While everything about the "good old days" was not good I believe this part of it was and this is something we are all lacking in life today and need to recover

Wendy C. said...

What I think is interesting here is that the majority of these brutal acts were committed by adults - not school kids on school kids as we may think when we hear the words "school violence" I really don't think that metal detectors in the school lobby are the answer when the majority of the time it is a bad guy who snuck in to the school (or shot at the students from afar)
I wish I knew how to stop people from victimizing the vulnerable...whoever figures that one out should be up for the Nobel Prize...

wolfbaby said...

thats just scary and really really sad.

Dreaming again said...

Michael W. Smith wrote a song based on the columbine shootings ...

it breaks my heart everytime I hear it ...but, it spurs me on to make sure I'm talking to my kids AND THEIR FRIENDS ...

"This is your time, this is your dance, live every moment leave nothing to chance ..."

princessdominique said...

Wow that is just craziness. It's rampant, from what the map shows. It's in the food. That's what I believe. Too much sugar.

kath said...

I think the biggest cause of this outbreak of voilence in the schools is due to recent parenting styles..
many many kids are
1. taught the world revolves around them.. they do not have to obey the rules or respect others needs. they are taught this by parents who behave the same way.. I think my generation, largely dropped the ball on parenting due to believing what so called experts had to say about destroying their kids psyche if they say no or provide some sort of consequences or discipline. I say.. those who did not do so.. should have listened to their own parents and grandparents about how to raise a child.. not soom goof with a book.

2. i have to say that i do think that tv violence.. including the news, btw.. leads them to be desensitized to violence and the consequences..

3. Lack of proper bonding with their own parents.. due to bing stuck into daycare , then preschool, then kindergarten.. etc.. instead of spending their growing up years with mom and dad. I do know that some moms have to work.. but, i think many just choose to. if not working means a not so great house, or no vacations, or eating in instead of out.. so be it..

i know things are tough these days.. they were tough for me when my kids were little.. my husband worked in a steel mill and was often laid off.. we waited to have a house and it was a real fixer upper.. ( we lost it when the steel mills went down )

i chose less money over leaving my kids..
i know this cannot always be done... survival is important.. but even if both parents do have to work.. time should be made to spend with the kids..

look at inger.. she works.. she is a single parent.. as are so many others.. and she is raising fabulous kids because she works at it, and gets tired, and well.. you know..

too many parents these days are not involved enough in their kids lives, and don't know their friends.. or whey they hang out, or spend time..

sad and frightening for our society..

Tiesha said...

I think you're doing a lot just by increasing awareness and giving us some important things to think about. Thanks Dr. Deb.

Dr. Charles said...

we're still such animals. wish i had the answers.

Rose said...

In addition to increasing mental health services to the poor so that they can get the help they need for their emotional care, we need to curtail the media's bad reporting, teach parents to parent, stop these violent movies and gameboys and install metal detactors in the schools. I was thinking about this same subject recently. I wondered why is this mass killing not happening in African Americans schools- I think it has to do with the metal detactors and security. It's harder to bring guns in. However, in the streets in the African American communities that is a different story altogether.

sjobs said...

It is so scary because schools are so vunerable to attack. For the first time in the history of my 19 year teacher career we have had to practice drills in case of intruders and so on. The interesting thing is that it doesn't even phase my second graders to be hiding under their desks during the drills. What has this world come to?

Mary

Heidi said...

One of the survivors of the Montreal shooting who was injured, is tying to get tougher control laws. And is taking his fight to the Quebec Gou't. Hope they listen.

Ian Lidster said...

To me, Deb, part of the problem has to come down to easy access to firearms and the glorification of firearms as status symbols, especially by the young. Nobody wipes out a class full of kids with a Samurai sword, it's as simple as that -- and as complex. A frightening problem that is, as you suggest, universal.
Ian

dragonflyfilly said...

i think violence on t.v. is probably one of the main and strongest influences on children as far as violence is concerned. news items, glorifying war, glamorizing violence as in rock vidios, the whole gamat distorts violence in a way that the young mind does not grasp the reality of it...they see "actors" shot and killed, yet these same people "come back to life" almost immediately, seldom do we see the reality of a gun wound. I mean we see the blood and the gore, but we don't see the person dead, we don't see the shattered families, until it is too late. Too many young kids are being exposed to bloddy gory violence and becoming de-sencetized...in some vacant part of their brains they don't really understand the horror of it all. -- quite frankly, i think a large part of the youth just don't care -- life means nothing to them.

Sunnie Dee said...

I don't believe that gun control and licences is necessarily the answer to this growing world wide epidemic. NZ and Australia both have strict gun laws yet every year people are killed with guns.

Think about it.... the kind of people who get licences are usually the sort of people who don't go around killing others. Its the ones who don't have licences who do it so the licence made no real difference.

I do believe however that tv violence and the way that american shows/music videos have portrayed guns has a lot to blame.

mysti said...

I wish I had the answers to that question also...... I wish that our children were safe. They should be, and it is unfair it is not the case.

Dr. Deborah Serani said...

Dear Johnny,
So nice to see you here. Amazing how horrible sotires travel the globe.

Dear Wanda,
I agree, more time with loved ones is needed. I think people are disconnected way more than generations ago.

Dear Naancy,
Yup, serious sobering subject.

Dear Ohn,
He must see very scary things. The fabric of society fraying in such young children.

Dear Nerdgirl,
Got it and will make the change.

Dear EVI,
Isn't it unnerving?

Dear Shrinkykitten,
You make excellent points! I tried to visit you, but couldn't get a link to your blog.

Dear Barbara,
Love and cherish for sure. And to increase tolerance and dilute hatred would be a good thing too.

Dear Writerwritz,
OMG, reading that was so upsetting.

Dear Kamrin,
Your 2 cents are SO valuable. I think many would agree!

Dear Puhpaul,
Many schools are safe, that's true.
You don't sound unconcerned, just reminding us that not all schools are dangerous places. And that's important to remember.

Dear Raine,
I sometimes think if we were all packing maybe there would be less killing. So I can relate to what you are saying.

Dear Wendy,
In this study, yes, most of the crimes were adults acting on the vulnerable. But, there is an increase in children hurting other children.

dear Wolfbaby,
I know!

Dear Dreaming,
I don't know that song. I'm gonna google it.

Dear Princess,
Too much sugar, maybe not enough structure, love, guidance, etc.

Dear Kath,
You bring up important points. The reasons for aggression and hostitlity are multidimensional.

Dear Tiesha,
Thanks. Just highlighting can be a good thing. Like what you do on your blog. You get the message out there!

Dear Dr. Charles,
Me too. I wish I could do more than blog and teach about this subject.


Dear Rose,
I know there a lot of gamers who blog that might get mad, but I believe so strongly that the violence in video games is extremely detrimental to growing children. I so agree with you on this.

Dear MAry,
How scary for you to have to practive such drills. I remember the air raid drills when I was in school. I still have nightmare about those experiences.

Dear Heidi,
Amazing how a victim can become a survivor and even a legislating giant! I hope they listen too.

Dear Ian,
I am gun control. But there are times that I wonder if we all had guns if there'd be less violence. I am a controversy in living color sometimes!

Dear Dragonfly,
TV, media, parenting, politics, predjudice....so many issues impact this.

Dear Mysti,
I feel the same way you do. Peace to you and yours!

~Deb

shrinkykitten said...

And just to say something germane - although it is tempting to point at media and video games, those really don't explain violence. Research has shown that although they are associated, the link to causality isn't really there. It is safe to say that kids who tend to think violence is "cool" or a viable tool for expression or aggression tend to seek out violence on tv, films, or in video games. It seems that those media sources may desensitize kids to violence (and violent video games and films are used in military training for exactly that purpose) - but they don't cause violence in wholly non-violent kids. It is a true interaction effect - and it takes a lot of different risk variables to synergistically interact to create violence. The search for the single variable, though attractive and tempting, is really quite futile. I read a book about school shooters last year, and the author made a table of all the different factors that led up to the violence - and there was very very little overlap. That is, some kids played violent video games, some didn't. Some had access to guns at an early age, some didn't. Some had psychiatric diagnoses, some didn't, etc., etc.

That said, I read about an interesting documentary (wish I could recall the name) that is coming out (or just came out?) that looks at the issue of rating films and points out how ridiculous it is that we (unlike other countries) give restrictive ratings for sex, but not for violence.

Anonymous said...

First of all, it's NOT the guns. A gun is an inanimate object which can be used for good or evil, just like any other tool.

Like raine said, when I was a kid in the 1960s every kid I knew had access to guns, but none of us would have ever considered using our gun against someone (unless they were invading our house).

Back then we were allowed to get into fistfights at school, and after a fight nobody held a grudge. The next day and the fight was forgotten. One thing we did have was community. I knew the names of *every* family in every house within about four blocks of where I lived. That also meant that if any of us kids crossed the line and did something we shouldn't have done, our parents found out about it, and corporal punishment was in abundance!

Unfortunately, a liberal mindset over the years destroyed all of that. Liberals didn't want to punish miscreants because that might hurt the miscreants self-esteem. And of course the miscreant only did what he did because someone must have done something to the miscreant to make him do it. The libs in charge of the schools try real hard to make overactive little boys into placid, compliant little girls, and the leaders wonder what happened when sometimes the kids rebel!

If parents try to discipline the kids for doing wrong, someone will sic social services on the parents, threatening to take the kids away. If the parents don't discipline their kids, some folks want to charge the parents with the crimes committed by the kids (totally bass-ackwards, btw).

Also, teachers should be armed. In spite of laws against murder, folks still do that. If I had a kid in school, and someone came to the school to do harm to my kid, I'd want someone at the school who could shoot back at the bad guys. I don't want *anyone's* kid to be shot like fish in a barrel just because nobody can fight back effectively.

-- Garry K

urban butterfly said...

Thats such a tuff question to try to answer. I wonder how it feels to be a parent in this nation, raising children in a place where crimes against children are so frequent.

Its definitely something that needs some serious attention. If they dont already have a task force or some kind of agency dealing with voilence in the US then I think they should incorporate one. That, to me, would be the first step in trying to figure out why crimes against kids are so prevalent and how we can minimize it.

Dreaming again said...

Dr. Deb, did you find the song?

Anonymous said...

To me, Deb, part of the problem has to come down to easy access to firearms and the glorification of firearms as status symbols, especially by the young.

I've had a gut feeling that a lot of that is the kid has no RL experience or safety training with firearms. As Raine said, it used to be that kids had guns and used them for hunting or plinking all the time without problems. I remember my father teaching me firearms safety the first time we shot cans with a .22 at a Boy Scout campout that had a range.

A lot of parents deliberately keep their kids away from firearms. Some are visibly phobic about guns themselves, including acting like a gun is some sort of demon that will come alive and kill or possess you if you so much as touch it. Results:

1) The "forbidden fruit" effect.
2) Kid does not know any safety procedures for what is by design a dangerous piece of equipment.
3) Kid has seen gunplay (often exaggerated) in movies/TV/videogames but has NO experience with the real thing.
4) Kid, judging from examples of parents and school, KNOWS that adults are terrified of guns. If he gets his hands on one, now HE commands the demon, the Ring of Power that causes adults to tremble. Ash Nazg Durbatuluk...

Sim Yin said...

2005-red lake, mn?

Deb S. said...

Great topic. I know a number of people who will be interested in this post.

Sydney said...

Hi guys. Im a 19 year old girl who attends college at Fortlewis College in Durango, Colorado. Recently in my comp class we have been studying school violence. We watched a documentary on a boy named Kip Kinkel. Those of you who dont know about Kip, he was a 15 year old boy who shot and killed his parents, killed 2 students at school, and wounded 22 students.Before I watched this documentary I always thought that kids who commited school violence had horrible parents, did drugs, or were depressed in some way. In the documentary it clearly showed that Kip Kinkel had very good parents who cared about him very much. They were the type of parents who didn't allow any type of violence what so ever in their house. They were well known in the community and were said to be very nice people. Kip, however, had alot of problems with school growing up and had alot of issues with depression. He went through pretty much what every teenager goes through.It made me realize that alot of it is that kids don't know how to deal with their problems.I believe that there are a number of reasons for school violence. We can not sit around and blame people...it will never get anywhere.It's really sad that Kip, like other teenagers who have commited school violence, felt that he had no other way out.As for gun control, I was raised around guns my whole life.My dad and pretty much my whole family are hunters and I had problems growing up just like everyone else....but i didnt turn to weapons. School violence will even be an issue if we have gun control because these kids are already illegaly getting them. Just like drugs and everything else that is illegal...people find ways to get them
School Violence is a sad, sad issue and hopefully one day we can find a solution.

OMB784 said...

I agree that this is an emotional issue and, i agree that there is not one clear solution. But i certainly do not agree with those who would assume to take away our rights to bear arms. The kind of people who committ these heinous crimes are not the type who would be legally allowed to own a weapon in the first place. Taking a stance of extreme gun control would not do any good in deterring those who would do such things. They will get guns the smae way they always have, illegally. I think that the best step to decrease violence is to increase preparedness. Educate children on the best course of action in such situations and explain to parents to do the same at home. By hopefully knowing what could happen in such instances, then possibly the results will be less grim in the future

SarahJ.B. said...

Sarah Bunn age 15,
I saw my fist fight yesterday, April 2nd, 2007. No one was killed and no one was seriously injured but it left me shaking. These were 2 boys I know, one was my friend that I had known since I was 8 and the other was a boy who had made fun of me for the past year, and even though my enemy was the one being beaten up I had to stop it... but for the first few moments I frooze. Then I started screaming at the boy who was my friend to please stop it and when he didn't stop but instead pinned the boy on the ground I unfrooze and ran over to them. As soon as I did another boy ran over and helped my friend off the boy but as soon as my friend was up and not looking the other boy jumped up and swung a punch at his head. They didn't start fighting for a few minutes more as their friends gathered around on opposing sides but they did end up going at it again and once again I frooze. I started screaming again and this time when my friend had the boy pinned again I ran over and tried to pull him off, but I couldn't. So instead I put my arm between his fist and the boys face, which is what he was punching, and then grabbed his arm and held him back until my friends( who had started running after me to help as soon as I ran over to the 2 boys) got there a few seconds later and pulled him off.
What I realized from this was that it's not that the teachers aren't doing a good job, but that the KIDS allow it to happen! Before the actual fight started I heard kids saying 'does anyone have a videocell?' as if it was funny. And once it started they all just stood off to the edge in a wall and watched, completly silent, with some of them STANDING WATCH for approaching teachers. Until I ran forward, no one moved, and even when I screamed at them to stop, no one said anything. It's not just the parents or the school, it's the mob mentality where, for a moment, no one has a mind of their own and no one has enough charecter to try and do what they said they would do, in a situation like this, when they were 5. Until that changes there will continue to be school violence.

Dr. Deb said...

Dear Shrinky,
Oh, if you can think of the name of that doc please let me know. I'd be interested.

Dear Garry,
You know, I often feel that we should all be armed.

Dear Urban,
I recall Chris Rock saying they should make a bullet costly, like 5,ooo dollars....he thinks that would lower gun violence. He's prbably right!

Dear Dreaming,
Yes! I found it a while ago.

Dear Anon,
I think you make some very good points here. I grew up around guns and have a great respect for how they work and operate. And the power with which they have in you hand.

Dear Sim,
YEs, there too. A terrible tragedy!

Dear Deb,
It is a sad state of affairs.

Dear Sydney,
I am very familiar with that case and the rippling effect it has had. I also grew up around guns, and have a great respect for them.

Dear Ombre,
As I've said before, I wonder if things would be better if we all had guns.

Dear Sarah,
You are a wise, smart young lady.

~Deb